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RE: Unrecorded Phantom Gems - violater - 05-22-2020
These ones too, they are basically the same sets but I'm not sure whether the cover design is different. The inner box is completely different.
![[Image: Untitled.png]](https://i.postimg.cc/p9bFzPWc/Untitled.png)
It seems that they share the same box cover. However the change of generation in Red White Hikari-Go and the slope rails in the sets have set an assumption that:
1. The sets are reprinted.
2. It is a completely different set in the early 1960s and late 1960s.
3. It has a different box cover art.
However we are not able to confirm point 3. It seems that the set itself have different generations, because the TP-nn numbering systems are DIFFERENT from the previous set compared to new set. How we know that the TP-nn numbering system is different without the box cover? Its because the same TP-nn number has not been found on the 1st and 2nd generation Red White Hikari-Go 3 car sets (they have different numbers). The set is not reprinted, but point 2 is correct so far. The very possible reason why the interior box change:
1. To fit the newer contents better.
2. Produced from a different plant.
3. TOMIYAMA change name to TOMY in 1963, therefore blueprints of newer sets might have been slightly altered.
RE: Unrecorded Phantom Gems - violater - 05-30-2020
We mentioned a blue box D-51, brown box D-51. Now there is a new one that surfaced just today, D-51 Yellow Box. All are 4th generation, which I repeat, is the hardest to obtain of all 10 generations today as they are only manufactured for only 2 years, if not 3 years depending on the model. This one could be close to 3 years.
![[Image: EZOk8-D5-UMAAXHI3.jpg]](https://i.postimg.cc/4ngk62pf/EZOk8-D5-UMAAXHI3.jpg)
![[Image: EZOk8-D5-UMAE1-Uf.jpg]](https://i.postimg.cc/0r0gcGCp/EZOk8-D5-UMAE1-Uf.jpg)
![[Image: EZOm1-CPUYAA-Xq4.jpg]](https://i.postimg.cc/GHLWNBM6/EZOm1-CPUYAA-Xq4.jpg)
RE: Unrecorded Phantom Gems - Super - 05-30-2020
Wow, now that is a box design I have never seen, great find.
RE: Unrecorded Phantom Gems - violater - 05-30-2020
Orange piers without claws.
On the left, we have number 24. On the right, no number.
The unnumbered version is what I recently bought, but it wasn't in the Plarail Museum. So I will add it here.
![[Image: unknown.png]](https://i.postimg.cc/r0Q4BG7D/unknown.png)
RE: Unrecorded Phantom Gems - violater - 06-01-2020
Blue D-51 Kisha Set, that is the first time I have seen one. Not recorded in museum so far, it seems it was manufactured from 1970-1974. Lets include that here.
![[Image: 253647856.png]](https://i.postimg.cc/xqymtKpW/253647856.png)
![[Image: 6485.png]](https://i.postimg.cc/pyt8f0Cf/6485.png)
RE: Unrecorded Phantom Gems - Super - 06-01-2020
Wow, that is a beautiful set. Would have been perfect if it had a blue Tender but still, I love those old box graphics.
RE: Unrecorded Phantom Gems - violater - 06-02-2020
A tender did not exist for a D-51 at that time though. There is one for C-58.
RE: Unrecorded Phantom Gems - Super - 06-02-2020
Have we discussed a Blue C-58 with Tender before? Seems familiar but I can't locate where the discussion and/or pictures are.
RE: Unrecorded Phantom Gems - violater - 06-02-2020
Blue C-58 does not exist. A Blue D-51 of course exists, discussed in https://blueplastictracks.com/showthread.php?tid=4035&pid=47358#pid47358
RE: Unrecorded Phantom Gems - Super - 06-02-2020
(06-02-2020, 07:15 AM)Vio Wrote: A tender did not exist for a D-51 at that time though. There is one for C-58.
My mistake...I thought you were referring to a C-58 blue train above when we talked about the blue D-51 Kisha set.
So there hasn't been a blue Tender ever for any Steam train right?